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North Bank
3:08 Thu Mar 14
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, you say we can't go back to the days before VAR, why not?
The officials still make mistakes even with VAR, we've had quite a few so far his season?
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62Hammer
3:00 Thu Mar 14
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We score a goal in the last minute of a European Final and I can't celebrate because of waiting for VAR. It's given, I celebrate, but the moment has gone, you can't get that immediate reaction back. Same every game. I hate it.
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Nagel
2:55 Thu Mar 14
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No. It can't be saved. It's a shit idea, badly implemented.
Probably the thing it's most commonly used for is offside, and it's meant that linesmen often don't call out clear offsides "just in case", so the game goes on even though it will get pulled back eventually. And then they spend fucking ages deciding whether it is actually offside or not.
Seems like the actual point of having an offside rule has been forgotten. It was supposed to stop the game being boring, with hoofball/goal hanging as the only tactic. If an attacker is just a few inches ahead of the defender, so what? Obviously it's different when there's clear daylight between players and a massive advantage to the attacker, but the linesmen can usually spot them easy enough.
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zico
2:51 Thu Mar 14
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Reason also why it works in Tennis is players are limited to three challenges each in each set I think. Otherwise they would be challenging an awful lot of calls. Maybe VAR should limit managers to three challenges in the game or something similar.
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Coffee
2:48 Thu Mar 14
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MORNING, CARTERS, GOOD TO SEE YOU.
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Fauxstralian
2:45 Thu Mar 14
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Tennis is much better with the line technology
A much reduced space and its focused line decisions so easier
Is just proving that McEnroe was usually right
Cricket could improve but still think DRS is better than it was without it
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Fauxstralian
2:42 Thu Mar 14
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My favourite was the 1-1 v Liverpool when Milner was standing a yard to the right of the lino who was in line with the last defender. Milner passed to Mane who scored
In the last minute Origi was a yard off but missed
KLOPP then stormed onto the pitch to berate the officials
Presumably for not heading in a goal for them
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CARTERS
2:37 Thu Mar 14
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MORNING COFFE, HOPE YOUR WELL.
tThe game IMO has changed for all the wrong reasons.
We now get 100minute matches because of it.
At 77 years young go back to the good old days .
Cricket ,Tennis ,Rugby all have this replay crap and it makes viewing worse.
The standard of ref's etc is as bad as anything in my lifetime.
However does VAR make it better??
NO.
These mugs fuck it up with VAR so, go back to the priginal way the game is played.
Just an old man's opinion.............
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,
2:24 Thu Mar 14
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Back before var nothing was more frustrating than knowing, in real-time, that officials had allowed an offside or excused a legitimate goal. Coaching staff would be showing the fourth official the clip of the mistake but were powerless to right a wrong.
We cannot go back to those days.
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goose
2:23 Thu Mar 14
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it's a tough one to answer because sometimes in football there are no absolute answers.
I dont know the answer but it needs to get back to being used for the howlers - the 'clear and obvious' mistakes.
Maybe if they cannot make a decision within a minute then the onfield decision stands?
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Mike Oxsaw
2:19 Thu Mar 14
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How many (extra) adverts can the sponsors squeeze in while VAR is doing it's thing?
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North Bank
2:05 Thu Mar 14
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It's ruined watching the game at the ground for me, I've always celebrated a goal for us with group hugs sometimes with complete strangers like it was in the days of terraces and bundles, these days all I do is stand up, observe the officials, then wait for the all clear or pending VAR interference.
It's destroyed the main sacrosanct feeling of jubilation the sport offers and for that reason alone I'd bin this utter shambles
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Eerie Descent
1:37 Thu Mar 14
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If you're using Cricket & Tennis as a barometer for football, then you might as well scrap the game. I love Cricket, but the ebb & flow of football is completely different, if you can't see the differences in nuance then you're beyond help on this subject.
I never wanted VAR, was one of very few voices on here that was strongly against it. Yes, there were annoying incidences with consequences, there are now, we just have a much shitter product to go with it.
Football is essentially all about emotion, that's part of what has made it the best and most popular sport in the history of man. Some things have been good changes, like the backpass rule to name one, but to introduce something that slows down what should be a fast paced game, and to take the drama away from scoring a goal, and make the referee the centre point of the action, is ti the massive detrement of the game. No amount of fine tu.ing VAR will change that.
It's fucking shit, but then again, the world seems determined to turn EVERYTHING shit these days.
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Coffee
1:35 Thu Mar 14
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charleyfarley 1:22 Thu Mar 14
Spot on. A clear and obvious error should not take more than a minute or two, max, to identify. Put a minute's limit on it and chances are people will be more likely to accept mistakes.
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Coffee
1:32 Thu Mar 14
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, 1:04 Thu Mar 14
Good post. Agree about the genie out of the bottle and can't be stuck back in. Don't agree that it works. There have been just too many mistakes and controversies to say that it works. As for 'it picks out what happens', so does MOTD. (And WHO, sort of.)
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ray winstone
1:27 Thu Mar 14
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It hasn’t improved the game at all, I’d bin it but keep the offside system they used in the World Cup.
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Lee Trundle
1:23 Thu Mar 14
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It's shit.
It was obvious it was going to be shit, blatantly obvious if you ask me.
But Pandora's box has been opened. Getting rid of it is a pointless discussion. Everyone who was open for the idea of VAR (it was the vast majority who thought it would make things better) can take part of the blame of ruining the game.
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charleyfarley
1:22 Thu Mar 14
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There should be a time limit on how long it takes to review. If the ref didn't give it and it takes VAR 5 minutes to look at it, then it wasn't clear and obvious. There was one review that took over 5 minutes should only be allowed 1 minute.otherwise we might as well appoint a 12 man judge and jury
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zico
1:11 Thu Mar 14
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It's more to do with the rules they way they are and the humans that interact with it rather that VAR itself. Take the Bowen cross a few weeks ago where it was a case of was it in or was it out, not sure how much the tech would cost but surely goal line tech for all surrounding pitch lines would solve that. Offside I believe with VAR you can go back to the daylight rule and give the old advantage to the attacker routine again. Handball, deliberate and hand "to" ball. If you head it onto your hand in a state of panic it's not handball. We need to stop players defending like pansies with their hands behind their backs because they are terrified of handball. That's an unnatural position of hands, players defending with hands behind their back like they are going to start running around signing ring-a-ring-of-roses! How to you balance your body like that?!
I'd also have heavier retrospective punishments for stuff like diving or falling to the ground holding your face if someone's finger has brushed your shoulder. Yes the Officials are shocking at times but they get fooled into decisions by some players behaviour. We might lose Paqueta for a game or two mind!
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Westside
1:10 Thu Mar 14
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Keep it for goal line decisions (although not VAR, it is technology), as has worked well, with only a couple of cock ups.
Would like VAR abolished but it won't happen.
I don't get when VAR gets involved or not, for offside. On Sunday, why did VAR get involved for our disallowed goal? Are all goals reviewed?
I get the basis for VAR being introduced, to stop the absolute shockers, that Hammer I Am refers to. If VAR must be kept, one "challenge," per team, per half, challenge kept if successful. I know Burnley, if they had a challenge left, could have used it, to get our goal chalked off, but situations like that, would be rare.
When feeling hard done by, by VAR, don't forget two VAR decisions, helped us win the ECL, last year. Although correct decisions in my opinion, we wouldn't have got them without VAR.
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1:04 Thu Mar 14
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The var genie is out of the bottle and guess what it works and picks out what happens.
It’s on the human side that controversy exists because of the inconsistency of interpretation.
Most issues concern what happens in the penalty box but there was a bizarre one on Sunday. Bowen received the ball and, unlike what normally happens when the Lino let’s play continue to an outcome, the Lino flagged and the ref gave an offside ruling. Bowen was actually shown as being onside and there was a good chance of a scoring opportunity being created.
The officials have been heavily criticised for letting things play out despite witnessing a clear offside but this time the Lino interrupted play and got it wrong. These are the sort of inconsistencies that need sorting.
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